Diablotin 3 session 62 - Revision history

Ladyiolanthe: /* Genevriel thinks about starting religions */

2018-01-23T04:35:45Z

‎Genevriel thinks about starting religions

Ladyiolanthe: /* Genevriel tells Philida what she has learned about the One */

2018-01-23T02:56:26Z

‎Genevriel tells Philida what she has learned about the One

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Ladyiolanthe: /* Genevriel shares her news with Philida */

2018-01-23T02:54:52Z

‎Genevriel shares her news with Philida

Ladyiolanthe: /* Genevriel shares her news with Philida */

2018-01-23T02:54:35Z

‎Genevriel shares her news with Philida

Ladyiolanthe: /* Hettienne and Denise talk about the Norn shears */

2018-01-22T22:53:36Z

‎Hettienne and Denise talk about the Norn shears

Ladyiolanthe: /* Hettienne and Dozilva discuss the past and the future */

2018-01-22T22:52:40Z

‎Hettienne and Dozilva discuss the past and the future

Ladyiolanthe: /* Argent and Denise debrief one another */

2017-11-11T21:57:51Z

‎Argent and Denise debrief one another

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Ladyiolanthe: /* Genevriel thinks about starting religions */

2017-11-11T21:49:32Z

‎Genevriel thinks about starting religions

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Ladyiolanthe at 01:43, 25 October 2017

2017-10-25T01:43:08Z

Ladyiolanthe: /* Denise and Argent's Adventures in the Arch */

2017-10-25T01:41:45Z

‎Denise and Argent's Adventures in the Arch

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 * Madds considers that for a moment
-<Madds> Religions typically are about providing some kind of rules for people to live by.  If you have no information from the deity responsible, who would be making up those rules? You?
+<Madds> Religions typically are about providing some kind of rules for people to live by. If you have no information from the deity responsible, who would be making up those rules? You?
 <Genevriel> Evidently, yes. Which is an enormous burden - hence the 'would you/should you' question.
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 <Madds> But I mean - powerful clerics have ways to talk to the gods.  Maybe you can learn to do something similar.
-<Genevriel> Oh... those spells are kind of rage-inducing and often leade to more questions, rather than answers.
+<Genevriel> Oh... those spells are kind of rage-inducing and often lead to more questions, rather than answers.
 <Madds> mm, well, if your choice is no answers, or answers that lead to other questions, which would you choose?
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 <Madds> I mean, I wouldn't want someone blindly following me.
-<Genevriel> The idea of starting a new religion has me recoiling in abject revulsion and terror. *I*'d be much happier just continuing what I've been doing - helping people as much as I can with the power the One has granted me. Maybe that's all the One wants or needs of me. But it doesn't seem *likely* that a new divinity, trying to build its influence in the mortal speheres, would be content with that.
+<Genevriel> The idea of starting a new religion has me recoiling in abject revulsion and terror. *I*'d be much happier just continuing what I've been doing - helping people as much as I can with the power the One has granted me. Maybe that's all the One wants or needs of me. But it doesn't seem *likely* that a new divinity, trying to build its influence in the mortal spheres, would be content with that.
 <Genevriel> I am so not cut out for this.
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 <Genevriel> :/
-<Madds> Genny... I love that you are worried about these things.  I admire you so much for all you've gone through and the person you've become.  I trust that you're going to continue to grow and change and find your way, and that it'll work out in the end.
+<Madds> Genny... I love that you are worried about these things.  I admire you so much for all you've gone through and the person you've become. I trust that you're going to continue to grow and change and find your way, and that it'll work out in the end.
 * Genevriel smiles a little.

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 * Margaux gives you a kiss and tells you hopefully she'll be home soon.
 ===Genevriel tells Philida what she has learned about the One===
 * Genvevriel would have contacted Philida to let her know that she has some new information about our weird divine abilities, and would like to meet with her to chat with her about them. She'll have arranged to meet Philida at a cafe or something.

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 ===Genevriel shares her news with Philida===
-''(need to get this log from someone)''
+===Genevriel tells Philida what she has learned about the One===
 ===Genevriel thinks about starting religions===

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 * Dozilva will have a toast with you and you can enjoy a nice lunch
-===Hettienne and Denise talk about the Norn shears===
+===Hettienne and Denise talk about the Norn shears Revelyne was using to destroy the universe===
 <Dozilva> (and then you can go home and talk to Denise I guess? whenever she wakes up ;)

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 * Dozilva will have a toast with you and you can enjoy a nice lunch
-===Hettie
+===Hettienne and Denise talk about the Norn shears===
 <Dozilva> (and then you can go home and talk to Denise I guess? whenever she wakes up ;)

← Older revision		Revision as of 01:41, 25 October 2017
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	* Argent nods understanding		* Argent nods understanding
	* Margaux gives you a kiss and tells you hopefully she'll be home soon.		* Margaux gives you a kiss and tells you hopefully she'll be home soon.
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		+	''===Genevriel shares her news with Philida===
		+	(need to get this log from someone)''
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		+	===Genevriel thinks about starting religions===
		+	<Genevriel> (Since going for walks probably isn't really a thing we do, I figure this could be a quiet evening at home again, a few days after the meeting with Patience.)
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		+	<Genevriel> (We will go for walks again someday, I hope! ^-^)
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		+	<Genevriel> (Poor gimpy Madds)
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		+	<Madds> (okay - not sure if timeline wise we have a few days, but it can be after that meeting at least :)
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		+	<Genevriel> (ok)
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		+	<Genevriel> (no wibbley-wobbley timey wimey stuff ;) )
		+	* Genevriel is a little restless this evening. Can't sit still and read or anything.
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		+	<Madds> (as long as you promise not to talk about any current events like who is Emperor, it can be whenever I guess ;)
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		+	<Genevriel> (Emperor? Who cares about that? ;D )
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		+	<Madds> what's on your mind?
		+	* Madds asks, recognizing the signs
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		+	<Genevriel> Well... everything!
		+	* Genevriel spins on one foot, turning away from the window to face Madds.
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		+	<Madds> everything?
		+	* Madds asks, smiling slightly
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		+	<Genevriel> I... just... I really need to revive the Underemployed Philosophers Club. At least for one evening. Are you up for it?
		+	* Genevriel is oblivious if that is innuendo.
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		+	<Genevriel> (Too preoccupied!)
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		+	<Madds> (no I think he's just mildly amused that you are thinking about everything in the universe at once :)
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		+	<Genevriel> (Hee!)
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		+	<Madds> sure.
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		+	<Genevriel> Okay. Up for discussion tonight: If you found yourself in the position of starting a new religion, would you? Should you? Especially without any guidance from your patron deity.
		+	* Madds considers that for a moment
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		+	<Madds> Religions typically are about providing some kind of rules for people to live by. If you have no information from the deity responsible, who would be making up those rules? You?
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		+	<Genevriel> Evidently, yes. Which is an enormous burden - hence the 'would you/should you' question.
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		+	<Genevriel> You might have help from a few other people who have been gifted with powers from what is apparently the same deity.
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		+	<Madds> Well I want to know the parameters of what I'd be committing to first.
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		+	<Madds> So I (and maybe these few other people, assuming they even agree with me) are making up some rules for people to live by.
		+	* Genevriel nods.
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		+	<Madds> And why should anyone listen to me? What's the selling point? "Live by these guidelines and you'll go to the Center" or "you'll have a better life next time" or "the deity won't punish you horrifically" or whatever?
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		+	<Madds> because obviously since this hypothetical religion is new, it can't rely on the weight of hundreds and thousands of years of "that's just how we've always done it" to get by.
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		+	<Genevriel> Exactly! The only selling point I can think of is "Because it's the right thing to do," but not everyone is going to buy into that.
		+	* Madds nods
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		+	<Genevriel> And what I consider 'the right thing to do' - helping those less fortunate than me, making amends for past wrongs - might not be the right thing for others.
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		+	<Madds> Well, the Revelators tried the last option and it hasn't sold very well anyway. They're still around but it's not like they've taken over the Empire or anything.
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		+	<Genevriel> And should that be a goal of a religion? Taking over anything?
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		+	<Genevriel> I would argue no, it isn't. A religion should be giving people some sense of purpose, but not one that excuses them for lording it over another group of people.
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		+	<Genevriel> But a patron deity, trying to gain a foothold might have different ideas about takeovers.
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		+	<Madds> Well, if this religion teaches that these actions (whatever they are) are the right thing to do, it suggests there's necessarily a wrong thing to do. And maybe that can be as simple as 'it's right to feed the poor' and 'it's wrong to let people go hungry', but religions seem to wind up taking a broader view of things.
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		+	<Madds> like "it's right to follow this religion" and "it's wrong to follow a different religion".
		+	* Genevriel nods.
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		+	<Genevriel> And that just doesn't sit well with me. Especially if we ARE all One - what difference does it make?
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		+	<Genevriel> Or does that phrase ONLY apply to the deity?
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		+	<Madds> I guess you'd have to ask the deity that.
		+	* Genevriel nods.
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		+	<Genevriel> The deity is not very forthcoming with answers, unfortunately.
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		+	<Genevriel> Or hasn't been, to date, at any rate.
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		+	<Madds> Maybe there are ways of making it talk.
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		+	<Madds> ... that sounded a bit more threatening than I meant.
		+	* Genevriel giggles.
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		+	<Madds> But I mean - powerful clerics have ways to talk to the gods. Maybe you can learn to do something similar.
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		+	<Genevriel> Oh... those spells are kind of rage-inducing and often leade to more questions, rather than answers.
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		+	<Madds> mm, well, if your choice is no answers, or answers that lead to other questions, which would you choose?
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		+	<Genevriel> I would prefer some certainty.
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		+	<Genevriel> But that isn't an option.
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		+	<Genevriel> This is where that very messy thing, belief, comes into play. Most religions don't let you be certain about anything.
		+	* Genevriel turns to Madds with a bit of desperation in her eyes.
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		+	<Madds> I'm not sure I agree. People can be quite certain in their beliefs.
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		+	<Genevriel> Madds, I'm just not moulded to blindly believe in something without knowing the whats, whys, and wherefores. What was the One thinking?
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		+	<Madds> Probably it was thinking that you'd be great at asking all the questions someone needs to ask in this situation, and at making your own path.
		+	* Genevriel sits heavily on the couch.
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		+	<Madds> I mean, I wouldn't want someone blindly following me.
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		+	<Genevriel> The idea of starting a new religion has me recoiling in abject revulsion and terror. I'd be much happier just continuing what I've been doing - helping people as much as I can with the power the One has granted me. Maybe that's all the One wants or needs of me. But it doesn't seem likely that a new divinity, trying to build its influence in the mortal speheres, would be content with that.
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		+	<Genevriel> I am so not cut out for this.
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		+	<Madds> Well, what has it asked from you? anything?
		+	* Genevriel shakes her head.
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		+	<Genevriel> Nothing... yet.
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		+	<Madds> If it wants something, I'd imagine it will find a way to let you know.
		+	* Genevriel sighs.
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		+	<Genevriel> Probably.
		+	* Genevriel wrests her thoughts away from the One and refocuses on Madds.
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		+	<Genevriel> How are you holding out? How weird is this for you?
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		+	<Madds> you were always weird to me ;)
		+	* Madds says with a smile
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		+	<Madds> I'm holding up alright.
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		+	<Genevriel> That's good.
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		+	<Genevriel> I wish I wasn't weird, though. :(
		+	* Madds comes over to put his arm around you
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		+	<Madds> But if you were ordinary it'd be so dull :)
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		+	<Genevriel> :/
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		+	<Madds> Genny... I love that you are worried about these things. I admire you so much for all you've gone through and the person you've become. I trust that you're going to continue to grow and change and find your way, and that it'll work out in the end.
		+	* Genevriel smiles a little.
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		+	<Genevriel> I wish I had as much faith in the One as you have in me.
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		+	<DiablotinNarrator> (anything else to add? it's pretty late for me)
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		+	<Genevriel> (No, I think we'll have to leave it there. Thanks!)
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		+	<DiablotinNarrator> (you're welcome)